No, they had to integrate it later. Something which the UK hasn’t done.
That’s like saying a B-17 should be able to take cruise missiles because it was meant to drop weapons.
It isn’t, it was on other stuff first
Mi-28NM, Z-10ME?
Can someone explain me about why exactly Challengers are so bad in WT? I know about the speed and apparently missing ERA piece on LFP, but really…
Today I’ve played exactly 2 matches against Britain in my PUMA, needless to say Challys were dying from me just randomly spamming PUMAs pathetic darts into their general direction, no SPIKEs needed. Like it’s so bad that I kinda feel guilty for shooting them.
Once I took another Puma to top tier just to laugh and front-penned chally in LFP oneshotting it…
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The Aircraft Gateway Processor, the computer that handles all defensive aids on AH-64E, is also made by Leonardo in the UK.
https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/18373651/AGP_Aircraft_Gateway_Processor_LQ_mm07734_.pdf?t=1542839518417
The CIRCM on US Apaches is talking to the same computer as it is on UK Apaches.
The only difference between our AH-64Es and American ones is that we have different RWR and Laser sensors, that send information to that computer, and different pyrotechnic dispensers that receive the processed instructions from that computer.
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Not the same argument at all
Because the AH-64E waa designed in mind for wingtip systems like CIRCM
Its not like a cruise missile on a B-17 what irrelevant point
The AH-64E is designed for these systems in mind and we have the AH-64E
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It only talks about AH-64D. And says nothing about LDIRCM, just countermeasures which could just be conventional flares and chaff
If you want a closer example, the F-15 was made with radar AAM’s in mind, and the AMRAAM was made with the F-15 in mind, but they still had to integrate them with the MSIP program
The AGP is installed by Boeing as aircraft ‘A’-Kit on all new and remanufactured AH-64D/E Apache Longbow Helicopters.
Every Apache AH-64E that comes off the production line, regardless of its end user, already has a built-in Leonardo defensive aids suite computer, known as an ‘AGP’ (Aircraft Gateway Processor). This project will see Leonardo take the UK’s Apache defensive aids suite a step further by integrating a number of sensors and countermeasure systems onto the AH-64E to enhance its situational awareness and survivability.
It’s the same computer on Block II and Block III (AH-64E) Apaches
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Not what the 80s F15 manuals say
F16C/D block 40 could use AMRAAM off the bat
The only thing MSIP II provided was better radar and data link
Ok then. Just because they have the same central computer doesn’t mean that CIRCM has been integrated onto the UK Apache. There’s no proof at all that the UK has integrated it, while for other things like JAGM there is extensive proof
All the new electronics set up for the AMRAAM
No just software that it already had
Because you know the 80s manuals saying it can use AMRAAM
Which one?
Integration =/= Compatibility, you’re having two different arguments, there is nothing different about the DAS interface that would prevent the use of CIRCM.
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But wouldn’t they need to integrate it for it first to be compatible? CIRCM isn’t a standard system with the AH-64E
Only if your purporting that it wasn’t built with the intention of integration of the CIRCM. Ergo the 64E was finished before CIRCM but it was built with the CIRCM in mind, this is verrrry typical.
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So there is hope…? 🥺
64E program started before CIRCM program though. And AH-64E was the last platform to be tested and integrated with CIRCM
From a bit of reading the CIRCM program started in 2009 and production of the modules started in 2015. the Apache E program or Apache D Block 3 started full scale production in 2012 with the British program for their Apache Es in the 2020s.
They were already testing the AH-64E (at the time it was called AH-64D block 3) in 2009
I’d at least qualify that as only those that use the Digital Hellfire backend, not the Analog electronics used for the First generation of the AGM-114.
So it should be possible for most relevant vehicles still in service at this point in time; There are a small number of Coast Guard Cutters & Patrol boats (and early S/N “steam gauge” AH-64As, and assorted MQ-9s ) that would probably need an electronics refresh first.