Basically all the current 14.7s because they also have no business seeing most of the 13.7s, they’re outmatched
Yeah. We need a BR ceiling of 16.0 MINIMUM. Ideally we’d have something like 20.0.
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Valentine IX: No change in BR. Just reclassify it as a Heavy Tank and finally implement my 6-Pdr bug report. It should have the 6-Pdr Mk V.
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Crusader AA Mk I: No change in BR. Just fix the M81A1 ammo, it should be APBC.
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Remember when they tested modern vehicles years ago and the BRs were like 14.0?
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Churchill Mk. I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz. IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz. III M’s, M4A3 105’s, etc. This would be a side-grade to the 3" Gun Carrier, the Gun Carrier has very similar armour but has a better gun in a casemate.
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HQ11 is by far a much worse platform than other comparable top tier ARH launchers, objectively. I’d say it should go to 12.3 at least.
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Data is a factor. Not the only factor. I am also sure the average US player probably has a better internet connection than say the average Australian or Chinese player.
It’s true the company has made some bad decisions when not looking at all factors.
British RB Ground BR’s:
- AEC AA: 3.7 down to 3.3. The only good thing about this vehicle is that it’s enclosed, I don’t understand why you keep overvaluing this. The Oerlikon’s aren’t great guns. You’re just making the low tier British SPAA gap worse.
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Yeah I am not disagreeing that data is a factor, it absolutely is but in the case of a game like this it needs to be factored in with nuances data can never display, so I don’t disagree to be clear
British RB Ground BR’s:
- Cromwell V & Cromwell V (RP-3): No change. Big disagree here. This is in no way on the same level as the M4A2. No stabiliser, no .50 cal, worse armour, and no APCR. The only thing the Cromwell V beats the M4A2 at is speed. You just moved it to 3.7, I suggest waiting for the winrate and KD to stabilise a bit more and see if it’s still overperforming by the next BR change round.
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind, far less rate-of-fire, less penetration, and half the guns. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Churchill Mk. III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk. I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It also has the wrong 6-Pdr, it should have the 6-Pdr Mk III. Which would be a nerf to also justify the drop.
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Fair. No stats are perfect, data is never truly complete.
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8.3 is excessive for the L-39, I agree, but I think 8.0 would be pretty fair. We need a larger course correction than 7.7, especially since something that might otherwise be able to maybe counter it at 7.7 (PGZ88) is moving up at the same time. I could also see 7.7 being enough because pushing it out of the 7.3 lineup may have a bigger impact than I’m anticipating. Compression just makes things difficult in this scenario.
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JA37DI, JA37DI F21, F-4F KWS LV: 13.0 → 13.3 (Air RB)
Really, you guys uptiered F-14A IRIAF thrice now but can’t do AMRAAM Viggens and Phantoms? Yes one of them is a fast boat and both having mediocre radar yet still able to sling 4 AMRAAMs, JA37DI’s are practically has the same armament loadout of F-16A ADF as in 4 AMRAAM and 2 AIM-9L. Meanwhile the Kfir C.10 got uptiered to 13.3 just because it can carry 4 Derbys and didn’t have option to carry extra IR missile. And before you say “well Viggen doesn’t have IRCCM Sidewinder”, so does F-16A ADF.
F/A-18C (Early), CF-188, F/A-18C (Germany): 12.7 → 13.0 (+ AIM-9M) (Air RB)
I had enough of those AIM-7P Hornets ruining 11.7 uptiers, they’re essentially mini Su-27 but without IRCCM, meanwhile the true competitor on the same BR with close capability such as MiG-29 9.12 only carries 2 SARH+IOG+DL missiles (compounded with the worse radar) and Yak-141 with 4.
Su-30MKK, Su-30MK2 AMV (Venezuela): 13.3 → 13.7 (Air RB)
Come on, 13.7 BR is now eligible for premiums, event and squad vehicles, just because it has worse engine than Su-27SM and still have similar capability doesn’t mean it should stay there forever. Everyone has urged for it to be getting a raise in BR.
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It doesnt get 9Ms.
Nor does it get the F-16s digital RWR or FM.
If the Viggen DI is 13.3 worthy, then the F-16A ADF needs to go up to 13.7
The F-4F ICE and Tornado F3 Late should probably be 13.3 compared to what else is at 13.0, but compression. No where near the equal of the Su-30s. So until they move up, they are stuck. (also the F3 Late needs buffs)
But Viggen, AV-8B+, FA2, J-8F, etc etc are all exactly what should be at 13.0 at the moment relatively speaking.
It also has an AESA radar, which is a notable buff to any ARH missile. Whilst its other limitations are certainly something to consider here, there was a reason for it to move up. Especially if you directly compared the Kfir C10 to something like the FA2
British RB Ground BR’s:
- A33: 4.0 up to 4.3. “Excelsior” saw a massive jump in performance with APHE and needs to go up. Completely agree there. Also, the mantlet needs to be fixed. It should be the same 3.5" as the Crusader, Cromwell, and Churchill. I honestly expect this to eventually go to 4.7 with the T14, it’s just a shame it’s impossible to get.
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British RB Ground BR’s:
- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk. III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk. III goes down then the NA75 should as well. You still haven’t fixed the secondary MG either.
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yes，and it is not first time they change the br because some pro player play the vehcle , italian saber is the example , and now i think t20 is the example too