PL-12 is straight up worse than R-77
No point in using it
PL-8Bs idk
Su-30MK2 gets NCTR as well
Su-30MKK doesn’t
They’re practically the same plane, there is nothing that can justify them being anything but the same br
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pl8 are faster and pull less. which make 4-6km shot possible.
unlike slow r73 who might lose track due to the poor irccm
I have not really bothered using them on my Su-30MKK since I am more familiar with R-73s
So I don’t really comment on that missile’s performance
If they are the same, how come the statistics and theory tell a completely different story? You can’t even make any (bad) arguments about premium players being bad, because both are premium planes.
/s
Dunno if it is straight up worse, but it definitely is a sidegrade
I can’t say for sure, but I do believe that the PL-12 is slightly better at longer ranges (not that that really matters lol)
is it.
25-30km shot are easy made. i do quite well with them in bvr with 30mkk or jf17
Simple
1 is from a major nation
The other isn’t
Your stats argument is also really hypocritical as yours are incredibly inflated from playing the Su-30MK2
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Until they get rolled or outpulled lol.
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pulls slightly better than an AMRAAM
can be sparrow rolled
no significant range improvement to speak of to make up for the worse pull
It’s worse
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Hell nahhhh…
Su-30Mk.2 AMV and F-4F ICE at the Same BR…
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Why would this matter? The amount of games played is decently similar, and definitely above the threshold for the law of large numbers to kick in.
I am sorry, i have reached my limit of replies within a given day, i will return with further statements tomorrow
It is common knowledge that major nation players are worse than minor nation players
particularly when it comes to a nation without a really great top tier vehicle
like China
Both the Su-30MK2 and Su-30MKK functionally identical.
There is no reason for them to be different brs
if you want, go hop in your 13.3 F-16 and try winning a fight against me in an Su-30MKK or hell, even MiG-29N
I will win most fights
Why?
Because both planes are better
Why are they better?
They aren’t gimped by being stuck with AMRAAMs
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Vehicles : mystere 4a
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 8.7=>8.3
Reason: Mig 15bis a way better in every flight performance but have 37 mm not 30 mm. Having nord doesn’t compassed this.( i known i funny to kill a braindead playes on headon)
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All I could go off of is the missile analysis thing, which indicates that the PL-12 accelerates more quickly and doesn’t climb as much, so it ends up reaching the target more quickly
That obviously is a terrible trade-off for worse maneuverability, but it still technically makes it a sidegrade
That being said, Eestidude is massively over-estimating the missile and needs to admit to himself that the Su-30MK2 AMV is in no way worse than the Su-30MKK
Bro really went and named all the most middling 13.3 and 13.0 planes and called them “meta defining”.
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You just straight up need to be banned from these forums, please never post anything ever again
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All due respect but if you’re being outperformed by a tornado f.3 late in anything consider uninstalling the game
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Yeah sorry my bad, I typed the wrong number combo. I suggest it goes down to 10.3.
