av7 being superior to every top tier mbt?
you’re really gonna ignore the 2a7hu and the strv122s?
The PARS 3 missiles can’t even effectively kill a Pantsir and you want to compare them to the KH-38??? That’s ridiculous.
Yeah… but why do you think Russia GOT the Pantsir?
They can lol
No they simply just traverse rough terrain far better since gaijin does not model half of what they need to…
Because its there IRL and isn’t an equivalent to aircraft getting more g-tolerance.
G-limiters are there in real life, same as governors.
If one can get ignored for balance and playability, other could as well.
Low tier ground is unbearable for me rn, im trying to grind some german tanks and its all russian tanks im fighting, dont get me started with cas, the yak-9 has to be nerfed
And nowadays we have the Mi-28NM : immortal, with high-speed top-attack missiles that are impossible to dodge or take cover from, one kill for each missile while PARS 3 or Spikes hit the ground or trees almost every time or just get a ‘‘hit’’ even after firing 5 missiles… Congratulations, my friend, that’s all I have to say—you’re absolutely right, lol. God, I love seeing this blatant hypocrisy.
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No not hypocrisy. schadenfreude.
haha, Germans now feel the same way USSR had when they got smacked with AGM65s
As any other heli?
They literally meet the new FNF SPAAs
same as basically any new SPAA, especially german one that can hit planes sitting on fields on some maps.
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Unbelievably, Mavericks are still way more inconsistent than LMURs, even with a larger explosive mass. It’s almost impossible to pull off 20 kills using Mavericks , but with the LMUR it’s another story. Luckily, Germany and Russia are usually on the same side at top tier. I felt bad for the enemy team—our top frag was sitting on 20 kills in an Mi-28NM…
I dont know which part of my message you did answer, so ill just answer yours
Dunno about if they are more inconsistent, as my Challenger and Abrams did survive both hits with LMUR and AGM65. But then again, USSR has a single machine with LMUR, when with any other lineup against it its pretty much everything with AGM65s.
its almost impossible to pull 20 kills in any way.
You can find footage of just how “effective” they are compared to the videogame, meanwhile if you read up on the German IRIS-T SLM with all its systems and reports from real-life use, it does have close to 100% hit rate, but in the game it gets confused by helis and flares all the time and misses (even though it literally has filtering systems for it). Hensoldt TRML-4D AESA radar? Doesn’t exist apparently. Helicopters with DIRCM systems are somehow completely immune to IRIS-T SLM missiles. You can fire all 8 missiles at a helicopter and none of them will hit. This directly contradicts the manufacturer’s statements and the actual physics of such systems. In reality, two DIRCMs on a helicopter cannot physically counter 8 missiles at the same time. Infrared + inertial + radio correction? Also apparently becomes irrelevant, but a Pantsir beats it by a landslide and doesn’t even let aircraft out of spawn. It’s like they confused the two and swapped their stats huh?
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Sorry, but where did you get this stuff about IRIS-T almost 100% hit rate?
Even in the previous years, its performance was rather questionable even against drones.
With the recent escalation it is now kinda obvious how useless western SAMs are.
Those “interception reports” are a joke at best.
Like, those same reports claimed multiple interceptions of hypersonics as well as dozens of iskanders by patriots, meanwhile even iranian ballistic missiles and drones prove to be impossible targets for them.
Even funnier is the fact that irl patriots basically act as a fancy MLRS most of the time, considering the PAC-3 failure rate, which ends with them hitting their own cities.
You are deep in that Russian propaganda tank friend, dangerous place to be. Better to remain impartial and look at all sources.
IRIS-T SL is regarded to have a 90% interception rate against targets it is employed against.
This is includes drones, both attack and recon, cruise missiles the KH 101 and Kaliber and KH-59/69.
It is not designed to intercept ballistic missiles the IRIS-T SLX will be the chosen platform for that
PAC 3 Patriot has performed well when they have had the missiles but they are just saturated by Iskander, S-400 missiles and drones makes deconflicting targets more complicated especially when the US is no longer flying EAWACS aircraft to help DL the missiles.
I would also add Russian AD systems have hardly performed great, the S-400 has been destroyed by threats it was designed to deal with Stormshadow and Scalp. ATACMS has wreaked havoc and modifying Neptune and S-300 missiles for ground attack has given some success. Pantsir is another example failing to hit cruisemissiles and showering the target they are protecting with 30mms.
It has been a real lesson to everyone, the effectiveness and frequency of ballistic missile strikes has lead to multiple systems being upgraded ASTER, IRIS-T and the Chinese systems that performed poorly against Iranian missile strikes.
Sorry, but made up Iris-T performance doesn’t interest me.
If they were that good, multiple PAC-3/flamingo and other military storage sites wouldn’t have been blown up in the recent weeks.
Europes shadow fleet wouldn’t have been so easily sunk in the Black sea either.
Even lone geran-4/5’s have been seen flying freely, without any issues.
Over all, Iris-t’s turned out to be a massive failure, much like all the other european SAM systems(SAMP/T has achieved pretty much nothing, while quickly running out of interceptors. NASAMS was mostly useless. The most interesting thing it has done is its AMRAAM missing a kh-101 and striking a hospital instead).
Patriots are another story.
After a few successful interceptions of jets, they’ve somewhat become useless. Mostly acting as MLRS against their own cities.
Then a lot of them were lost during 2024-2025.
Mainly due to iskanders, since US AD is completely incapable of intercepting ballistics(that includes the THAAD). Which left only a few of them(the most recent destruction of these was in march, when a group of lancets wiped out a patriot battery).
And now it turns out that they cant even produce the systems, nor the interceptors in even the minimally viable amounts. Which is why Iran wiped out western military bases in a matter of 3 months.
Kinda hilarious to slander the pantsir, when they still down hundreds of drones almost daily.
Meanwhile Nato doesn’t even have any good SHORAD systems.
The closest thing is the skyranger, but its insane price and lackluster range still make it awful, compared to the pantsir.
Btw, the S-400 “strikes” claims is just a nice cover up of PAC-3’S/ expired S-300 missiles plunging into civies, after failing to intercept russian munitions.
Yes, S-400 missiles can be used for ground attack, but with the sheer amount of proper anti-ground munitions available, that it is simply not needed.
Again bud try and be more impartial.
Yes interceptors are expensive and hard to produce, that does not the away the efficacy. IRIS-T SL is probably the best short to medium range SAM in the world. The combination of Radar and IIR seeker is incredibly deadly.
Patriot stopped being good when they ran out of missiles, they ran out of decoy Radars and well they became hunted. Patriot system is not a bad system and PAC 3 has performed well.
Pantsir has been fine, not the world beater that War Thunder makes player believe. Of course the cost for Skyranger will be more, it is being sold by a private company to the military. It’s like complaining an F-35 is expensive.
The other nation does not have S-400s that is only the other nation and there are reports they are export versions they are using as ground attack. The same with the Moskva was using it’s compliment of S-300 to attack Odessa with.
Now the interceptors are too valuable to just give away the US needs to build more, Russia needs more, Europe need more and Israel need more. With new drones and saturation attacks everyone needs more interceptors.
Patriots weren’t good even when they had missiles.
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PAC-3’s and PAC-2’s fail mid-air on the regular.
Which is even funnier considering the BS claims about hypersonic/iskander intercetpion rates.
Like, in August they claimed 8 iskanders as “intercepted”, while crying about a lack of missiles.
While in the ME, it was shown that even launching 3 PAC-3’s against single, much more simple iranian missiles wasn’t guaranteed to intercept it.
Well, irl Iris-T, skyranger, and samp/t performance leaves a lot to be desired as well.
But the main cries about the pantsir in the game stem from Nato countries not developing proper SHORAD systems.
And despite reddit copium, the pantsir performs overall well in that role.
Again, the other nation had patriots and old S-300’s.
They simply claimed that it “was an S-400” missile, in order to cover up their own friendly fire.
That is true.
It is simply easier to produce strike munitions, than interceptors.
And no country can realistically cover all of its territory with AD.
Not to mention that cheap drones can overwhelm pretty much anything.