Hopefully we may get some buzzing this week since people are coming back from vacation
The question is should Leclerc bounce more than T-80?
I also do not see where I said something opposing what I said previously especially since I mentioned post pen surviveability as well.
I don’t say it should but the question is should Leclerc bounce more than a T-80? See the question got no fu*king sense, nobody here no how armored those tank really are.
- Nah, just add the XLR version which is fully 22 rounds on the Autoloader, no reserves ammo and fix the god damn armor for them is good enough.
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- I like the designation of Leclerc, share the same concept with the K2 (compact, well-rounded protection, plenty headroom for upgrading and freaking high price) from SK but Gaijin kinda ruin the France since it mid-tier.
Is the hull still 1m too long? Has it been fixed or ignored per usual?
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Prototype Leclerc was designed to eat 125mm shells in 90´s, but Gaijin thinks that modern SXXI version should be raped but 20mm autocannons in LFP/UFP/mantlet…
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If I remember correct from what a friend told me, is that Gaijin modelled both the Abrams and Leclerc armour based off of info from the Swedes from when they were migrating from the Centurions to a new MBT.
(Please correct me if I’m wrong)
Yes they are It’s holy bible for Gaijin now they use it for armor for 2A7V too (which have nothing to do with)
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yep
I’m also annoyed that the CV90’s don’t have their IRST tracking :(
(Yes I know this hasn’t got anything to do with the leclerc)
But the thing is that the Leclerc were tested was the first ever production Leclerc, the S1 T1, which was refused by the French government due to the armor and engine issues. That is know, even gaijing knows that, but they don’t care
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And, to be fair, even things like the Leclerc are thought to be able to use optical tracking with their highly advanced fire control systems. But hey, artificial nerfs from gaijing as well
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But also Gaijin will never add any type of FCS because “reasons”
Let me guess, it’s because western systems are usually considered more advanced ? Now that they have set a precedent with only adding spall liners when the T90M arrived, I can only think of that
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leclerc isnt the only tank with something like that.
T-90M has autolock in its fcs not auto lead just autolock you point at tank/heli it locks onto it
I think gaijin will add as top premium for France a kind of Leclerc prototype and then they will buff the Leclercs to get people buying their new premium toy AS they did with Abrams and the Click Bait lmfao.
The 5s reload will get added I think there is no reason they’ll not put it but we need to wait a Leclerc premium lol
Are we also gonna talk about the fact that we are still missing HE rounds at top tier lol
Pointing out things that go against what you’re saying = easy argument. K.
Guess you’re gonna ignore my OP listing tons of reason (as well as a video plus another one in the thread) as to why it’s in a bad state.
(And it’s not even up to date: the Abrams now outreload the Leclerc and the Leclerc officially has the worst round now that Britain got the Challenger 3.)
Seriously, the only other tank that has fuel tanks as vulnerable as the Leclerc is the Type 10. While Russian tanks have issues with exploding fuel as well, it’s behind armor that actually works, so they’re nowhere near as vulnerable as the Leclerc and Type 10.
The LFP of the Leclerc being weak isn’t a big deal, it’s an area that seems to be weak on the tank IRL so that’s fine if it’s weak in game as well. That’s not what we’re fighting about.
Excuse me what? Russian tanks UFP are essentially unpennable, as well as all Strv 122s and Leo 2A7.
These alone represents makes up ~60% of tanks you’ll face at top tier in terms of frequency.
Then you add some Chinese tanks too, and the Abrams UFP which is very likely to bounce due to the angle, and we’re in the ~80% frequency territory.
As for the other tanks, all but the Ariete (which has no business sitting at 11.7) have something to at least compensate somewhat.
So no, UFP being weak isn’t a thing for “most tank”, at least at top tier (which is what this topic is about since we’re not fighting Leo 1s at 11.7)
And on top of that, bug reports have showed that the Leclerc’s UFP values are lower than what they should be, but gaijin doesn’t want to budge. So it’s not just bad gameplay wise, but also inaccurate. And that’s not mentioning the absence of spall liners.
And it’s not just the breach that’s huge, the whole frontal arc of the turret is easily pennable by top tier rounds, which coupled with the terrible UFP and LFP results in the entire frontal arc of the Leclerc being a gigantic weak spot.
Like, you have to actively try to score a non pen on a Leclerc.
That area is such a ridiculously small part of the front profile that it’s completely irrelevant, especially considering that even the rounds on the weaker side in terms of pen can still pen it at 500m and below.
Well thank god the amount of armor doesn’t impact if your tank will be penetrated or not the-OH WAIT
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The Italian TT consultant ain’t doing a good job, however. The Ariete’s missing just as much armor as the LeClerc. They’ll have you believe that 5 tons of WAR kit is 20mm effective while the Abrams turret DU only added 2 tons on the cheeks for roughly 300 entire milimeters.
Neither of the consultants (if the French one even exists) are giving these vehicles their fair shot.
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After they added the automatic zeroing for laser rangefinders, I feel like the average skill since then has gone down by like ~25%. No wonder they don’t
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