The point is you have 16 missiles which may equate to 8 - 10 hits.
They are FnF, they can be launched from behind cover and launchers can be spread around.
Compare that with other nations SAMS…The Norwegian system 4 missiles
TADS…only the 9X is reliable.
While you want a realistic 98+% interception rate the game does not.
Shooting down the missiles is better for the team though as you can never intercept the aircraft before the missiles have been launched.
Killing a Su-30 while ignoring the Kh-38 will lead to 5-6 deaths (usually yours) and net no benefit.
Typhoons on the German team do well, I have died to far more Brimstones playing as a British player now than I have before. Especially late game and when you are teamed up with Russia who dont have a brand new FnF SAM
Not to say Typhoon is perfect using Brimstone effectively is far more skill dependant than say a AGM-65 or Kh-38
Depends which planes against which AAs. If you are talking about the SLM and maybe CLAWS sure, but if you die to a Spyder, EldE or Tan Sam in an EFT that is a pilot issue.
Probably because it’s an easy kill for AA flight performance wise.
I’ll take EFT with 4 Paveway+12 Brimstones plus 6 missiles to 4 AGM+4 missiles on slow platform any day.
Mavericks are slow and not reliable anymore, meanwhile Brimstones and Paveway IV’s are quite reliable in terms killing ground units.
Thats sad.
My take: Don’t bring anything above 12.0 in a 12.0 tank lineup.
Guaranteed uptiers are not worth giggle factor.
I think it would help if sytem could swap one of the lancher vehicles for the Skyranger 30 for short range defense.
doubt it can be controlled from an iris-t slm TOC but as long as they share a datalink it could help by itself
Lets make SAMs unkillable…
Maybe we could have AI controlled F-35s to provide CAP for the SAMs…
GPS jammers
This would make it immune, wont happen
That is kind a point of integrated Air defense…
So Pantsir S1 is unkillable ? It is the same thing just distributed among multiple vehicles.
Mixing Kh-29 in there is just hilarious.
integrated would also be seeing the same things. not only ‘being able to control literally every type of air defense from a single point’…
that does not really exist yet
Germany has yet to order IBCS, IRIS-T SLM is not integrated with IBCS yet either and Skyranger is still in development
Even tho they are not that strong KH29TE’s on J11B are quite good.
Comparing a Panstir to an IRIS-T system. One has 16 fire and forget missiles and you want to add a Skyranger…
It is not the same thing Pantsir used to be the big dog but now it gets walked by the IRIS-T SLM.
Not sure what are you sayng that radar information sharing does not exist ? Or central target allocation does not exist for the modern air defense assets ?
what i’m saying is that it doesnt need to be controllable from an external point to be ‘integrated’
If they are still just a TV guided missile with 6km of TRACK lock range without IOG I doubt they deserve to be put in the same sentence with Kh-38 and Hammers.
Ok, so how is it relevant for swapping one missile carrier in the system for short range gun system ?
On is rather compact all in one solution mounted on singel truck. Other is multitruck (three) truck system with significant minimal range deadzone.
So swapping half of its long range capability for short range protection seems fair.
Iaw statshark S1 is on pair/bit better then SLM
