They accept sources they want to accept. It’s good that you are trying to find more proof that they just invented random numbers and decided to slap them onto stats hoping community accepts it. But don’t get your hopes too high thinking that with even reliable sources you will accomplish something
so are we just gona make a new bugreport? i feel like, and i have stated that alo over the past few days, they are just set on not making it good, and as Necronomica already mentioned ( while it is dumb as hell) a effective range for the mods COULD just mean the range at wich you shoot the target while its flying at you, while i think its dumb, we have to take into consideration that most mods on the issue tracker seem to be… well not qualified clearly and they love making up excuses
if we had it WRITTEN down so that they couldnt talk themselfs out of it that the target did STAY at 30km and flew in an orbit that would be amazing
Why make a new report XD?? There’s already tons of them. And each one of them says the same “not enough info”. They will just look into that new, not answer it, close it and call it a day while scratching balls and thinking they did a good job
can you just hate gaijin in reddit,youtube or somewhere ? so we can actually use this forum for fixing stuff ?
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since its a new source, also in hopes that another mod looks at it who might actualy read the docs instead of just aiming to close the report
(if your report gets accepted or not feels like it depends on the mood of whoever is looking at it)
Tbh I don’t care much for it. I play WT maybe once every few weeks lol. I’m just here to show that Gaijin ALSO doesn’t give a care in the world for “accuracy” of things they implement considering most incoming threats tend to be much slower than the interceptors fired at them, so even if the “30km range” is indeed when the missile’s fired at a target, said target would’ve maybe traveled at most 10km’s (but likely less considering the flight speed of the SL interceptor) by the time the missile flies up to it and is capable of actually hitting - which is STILL vastly beyond what we have now. I’ve seen test videos of the SLM, and it is basically useless against manouvering targets beyond 10km’s haha.
Also, IMO, it just shows the missile has to be faster than M2.0 that Gaijin coped out of nowhere. Considering the BAAINBw itself states the MAX range is 50km’s, whereas in WT it’s about 25km’s instead…
If the Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support isn’t a primary source for Gaijin, then I dunno what else can be. They’re just hell-bent on not fixing the SLM the same way they haven’t done anything about fixing the 2A7V.
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Tell me, in all those 10 days with almost 900 replies here and all those bug reports, what changed? Nothing
Because there might be a chance that a report needs all valid sources in one place, so why not make one?
Lots of them have been accepted… Lots of them have changed and many bugs have been fixed. The only big issue that is still ongoing is the speed of the missile (maybe also the radar minumum range, although that one will get checked later again)
Can you do us a favour? We are all trying to be positive here and be constructive, you come here and play Debby Downer, please leave this thread to the people that are still trying to get things changed instead of constantly yapping about how nothing will ever change. Thanks.
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The Truth is that we all know that likely nothing is going to change but instead of doing absolutely nothing and just annoying people we still actively look for stuff on the chance of it mattering.
I don’t think anyone here has high hopes for changes, yet we still try.
You have given up completely, I understand, but please go ahead and don#t comment under every source that we find that:
“It’s not going to matter!”
“In the end you will all be pissed!”
“It won’t get accepted anyway!”
You know what you remind me of?
This guy:
Spoiler
I would appreciate it, if you could stop telling us how to spend our time =)
EDIT: Also found this:
Speed is mentioned as " k^2 2" on page 100. You can read the pages before to get all the variables names.
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I have been here for far longer lol. I played the game when the D13 had to fight Sabres on a regular basis and we had 20 tiers instead of BR’s…
I have played this game for almost 13 years now (2012) so no need to tell me about how things go, but thanks ;)
Than dont be surprised when comments keep getting flagged/removed…
You want an mimimi/muh RU BIAS/Muh they hate nato thread?
Open your own or join an allready existing one…
But not here, thanks…
Like, Gunjob said allready that he will take an look at the report and see what he can do, and ranting about muh bias and so wont go anywhere…
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Already been rejected due to it being written by a university professor…
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Oh btw, the Swiss source (primary) also corroborates the BAAINBw’s data:
:)
So I ask, where did Gaijin get their stats for SLM from? Cus the missile has to be quite frankly faster than just M3.0 to reach 50km’s.
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btw about
, am i understanding correctly that gunjob will have a look at it?
there might still be some hope
that would be the 3th source claiming 50km
germany itself,
Austria
and your swiss report
but they are very unwilling to accept anything chances are high they will mark it as duplicate of another report mentioning it cant even reach 40km (and they havent done anything on that front either eccept accepting it alteast)
Correct, but until he got the time for it we have to be patained and maybe search for even more usefull sources…
By the way, further into the report we have this:
For example, the CAMM-ER guided missile meets the distance criterion, but may not have enough energy to destroy a maneuvering target towards the end of its range. The basic requirement for BODLUV 2020 MR to engage all military air targets before using its weapons is not met by CAMM-ER. The effective range is so short that the missile should actually be described as a “short-range system”.
I think this makes it pretty clear the 30km range requirement isn’t for “the target is currently at 30km’s, fire at it”, it’s “the target has to be hit when it’s 30km’s AWAY”.
This effectively means two things:
- 30km by 15km range is the range at which the target HAS TO BE INTERCEPTED, not just fired at, giving credibility to the 50km max range claim and 40km effective range claim by Diehl and the BAAINBw
- the missile HAS to be AT LEAST Mach 3 (if not 3+) for that to be possible otherwise it would be out of energy long before it even reaches 30km’s
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Technically the Missile doesn’t have to be Mach 3.
As Necro pointed out, it could also mean that the missile has a much longer burning sustainer motor and a better loft profile.
It might just hold a speed of Mach 1-2 a lot longer and therefore keep more energy and reach the target faster.
It would need to reach Mach 3 in the current setting of burning through the fuel at ingame times. If they prolong the burn time but lower the thrust, we could see a max speed of around 2.2M for example and still reach the time to target.
This would likely also result in more energy during it’s final stage as longer burn time means less drag, especially during climbing.
Correct, yes. But it’s more likely the missile is simply Mach 3+ (we’ve already video of it having a 12s burn time btw, although they wouldn’t be accepted considering they’re from the you know what place).
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Oh so we do know the burn time? That’s interesting.
Maybe we should start focusing reports on the loft then? Because currently they don’t nearly loft high enough. The reports state that they reach 12km altitude, which they do not do ingame.