your point doesnt stand. pobit is far great in 14.3 than the F16V at 14.3
the other 14.3 like the F15cge need to go up.
the F16V has weaker engines and worst RWR than the pobit.
its the pobit that should stay in 14.3 not the F16V
Correction, Italy has 2 TT Fireflies. The British only have 1 TT Firefly. The other 2 are premium.
its a BLK52 with a better engine, not to mention the POBIT has the IVEWS system which is a onboard jamming system. This means when ECM comes the POBIT will have an advantage over other airframes.
pobit or the V ?
pobit is either block 30 or 40. thats what the war thunder wiki says.
while the F16V is a block 20 MLU with block 72 avionics
correction: block 30 were the fire wave of the upgrades. laster came the block 40 and 50 upgrades.
The POBIT, its been upgraded with a better engine over the base model BLK 50s along with all the other specs.
- 16V and PoBIT have functionally the same rwr for air RB, they have the same coverage for all a2a radars and missiles, with the one difference being that the PoBIT can detect K-band locks from the Pantsir/OTOMATIC and the C band search radar on the Roland
- F-16CM PoBIT is not good at all at 14.3, even with a better engine. Unless you are thinking of moving the J-10C, F-18E, F-15C GE, Su-30SM, and the mech scan EF2K up to 14.7?
Vehicle: F5E/F5E(China AND Germany) or F5E FCU F5T SCU
Gamemode: Ground Simulator Battles
BR Change: 11.3->11.0 for f5e (US CHN GER) OR 11.3→11.7 for f5e FCU and F5T SCU
Reason: SCI is a very effective CAS aid. It allows pilots to pre‑aim at the target while flying at high altitude, instead of having to lock on during the dive attack – greatly improving CAS efficiency. Meanwhile, the two Japanese F‑5Es not only have SCI but are also equipped with three powerful missiles: AIM‑9L, AIM‑9P4, and Python‑3. Their combat effectiveness is clearly superior to that of the basic F‑5E variants used by the US, China, and Germany
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more than one band thats for sure.
j10c / eft / f18e / su30sm dont need to go up. unless decompression.
as for the F15c GE yes it need to go up.
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It also includes Germany’s F-5E.
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This still doesn’t change the flight performance because the range is still the same and ultimately relies on environment and target you’re launching at.
Launching a couple agms back to back doesn’t do much as the last agm launched is not meaningfully far from the first thus resulting in the same issues.
Launching a couple of agms in 2-3s can increase the chance of a hit but that comes at the cost of flight time. This is assuming that you are in the air maintaining a constant laze. If you are trying to do IOG then laze, you’ll still need to popup early enough for the first agm to react in time or it’ll just be a waste.
But like you said, you’ll need continuous firings (which isn’t a guarantee) to get a hit, so to say that a single hellfire is all that is needed to take out a tank isn’t really true if you need multiple to maybe get a hit. With this logic I can easily say that all I need is a single AKD-9 to take out a tank because it is technically possible. the hellfires perform against against a stationary target in the open but if that was the standard, then it means that hellfires are better than vikhrs.
So the question is what matters more? Reliability or damage? Assuming the Z-19 carries 12 BA-9 + 4 TY-90 and the Apache has 16 hellfires + 4 stingers + cannon, which does better in those categories? The Apache can theoretically do more damage than the Z-19 but how often is that the case?
Stingers that have no proxy and doesn’t turn as hard isn’t that reliable. Hellfires need to be launched sequentially to maybe score a hit. And the cannon is only good defensibly when the enemy is going directly towards you.
Where as the TY-90s are much better at taking out air targets. The BA-9 can reliably score hits but it’s weak at damage. Penetration isn’t really an issue since it comes at an angle and is tandem but it’s post pen damage is weak. This can be overcame by launching two consecutively but I find that one is enough for soviet-style tanks. It having no cannon makes it easy for jets to get close but what is not considered is how nimble the Z-19 is.
This is true however I’m unsure what helicopters you think need to go down in BR. Keep in mind post BR change, the 64D is at 11.7 and the Viper is at 12.0. Both of these being not too better than the 64A. The Ka52 is also in the same boat. Though it is the best 12.0 heli, it is equally as vulnerable to these IR spaas as other helis that don’t have LDIRCM.
The Apaches isn’t going down because of the IR spaa. IMO it’s going down because it’s just a unreliable heli to be in for the reasons I mentioned earlier and it’s reflected in it’s stats.
Don’t get me wrong, this is gonna make helis a lot more compressed around this BR so I’m mainly against it because they are doing everything but fix hellfires.
Vehicle: t26e5
Gamemode: ground realistic
BR Change: 6.7 → 6.7
Reason: it should stay at its current battle rating because it would face cold war tanks at 8.0 if you wanted to move any of the m/t26s it should be the m26 to 6.3
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more than one band thats for sure.
Now name any radars or missiles that use C, D, or K band in Air RB.
j10c / eft / f18e / su30sm dont need to go up. unless decompression.
If you think that a marginally faster and less manuverable F-16V can contest any of those planes, yes you believe that those planes all deserve to go to 14.7.
The BA-9 is not the AKD-10; it does not have a long enough burn time to sustain the turning capability you mentioned. Its total burn time is only 8 seconds (the AGM‑114 has 3 seconds, while the AKD‑10 has 24 seconds). 8 seconds is far from sufficient for it to reach an enemy tank. Its turning performance is indeed somewhat better than that of the AGM‑114, but its average speed is significantly slower, meaning the helicopter is exposed to enemy fire for a longer period. Moreover, its kill efficiency is also noticeably lower. In my view, the BA-9 is overall inferior to any variant of the AGM‑114 series.
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pantsir s1 / smv track radar.
nuclear escalation air rb.
no i dont. the f16 can easly keep up, only difference is the amount of missile.
all mentioned except for the su30sm and f15cge have low thrust and low countermeasures
talking about speed. here all 14.3 speed test from 400 kmph to 1200 at 4km alt.
AESA is a massive improvement already in-game
you’re underestimating it severely
90% of my experience in the F-16CM was before the premium flankers were added, back then there were far less premium noobs
it’s fine.
I’m going to assume you mean pantsir S1 due to the br the Ka-52 sits at.
Ka-52 actually wins lmao
it can shoot vikhrs and dumb rockets much faster than the pantsir can shoot its missiles
Ka-52 vs Pantsir fights are pure MCM fights until the Pantsir loses due to how slow its fire rate is or until it runs out of ammo.
Either way the Ka-52 doesn’t face the pantsir at all unless you’re playing SQB or got unlucky with a mixed matchmaker
against top tier ARH SAM’s it doesn’t struggle at all. It can multipath or notch them easily (you don’t even need chaff)
against top tier IR SAMs it is able to flare off one or two missiles and then get into cover
It can also then just yeet dumb rockets from the spawn with great acuraccy due to the cockpit rocket ballistic computer and HUD
it is
the top brs are mega compressed
vehicles like the Su-27 should NOT be at the same br as the MiG-29 (9-13) and should not be able to face 12.0 phantoms
above 13.0 it’s even worse with the premium flankers
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That’s not air rb, entirely different gamemode
Doesn’t exist in air rb
Yeah, sorry I forgot the German’s F5.
Vehicle: AUBL/74HVG
Gamemod:Ground Realistic
BR Change: 8.0—> 7.3
Reason: The 60mm gun doesn’t do that much damage with 248mm of penetration and repeats every 5.0 seconds. If you have the best crew, the tank is not effective against other tanks in its br.
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all mentioned except for the su30sm and f15cge have low thrust and low countermeasures
You are completely clueless on top tier. Gripen E carries ~700 with BOL and F-18E carries 120, while the PoBIT carries 90. J-10C has less CMs but all of them are large caliber, while the PoBIT/16V is stuck with 30 large and 60 regular, so J-10C has significantly better countermeasure efficiency and a built-in MAWS.
Also, there are only two planes with slower time to speed in your own graph - JAS39E and Su-30SM.
talking about speed. here all 14.3 speed test from 400 kmph to 1200 at 4km alt.
If you think a 1-2 second advantage in high speed acceleration is worth an entire BR step, I’d hate to hear your opinions on the rest of the BR system. Shall the J-10C go up in BR now, since it has better speed, a built in MAWS, a significant missile advantage, and a better dogfighting FM?