Because gaijin literally said that the reason theyre adding this spaa is to fill a gap in the chinese spaa line. Also if theyre raising the pgz88 in br, why dont they also raise the veak 40 since its just straight up better?
Beacuse it has worse guns, worse armor, and a worse radar.
BR Decompression Suggestion for Top-Tier Air Battles
After seeing the recent Battle Rating changes, I’d like to suggest an idea that could help solve one of the biggest issues in top-tier Air RB: BR compression.
The biggest problem isn’t necessarily that one aircraft is overpowered. It’s that aircraft from different technological generations are forced to fight each other simply because there isn’t enough BR space.
A good example is the MiG-29 (9-13), Su-27, and Su-33, which are all currently at 13.0.
These aircraft regularly face fighters such as the F-15C, Su-30MKK, Mirage 2000 with MICA missiles, and other aircraft equipped with modern Fox-3 missiles and much more advanced avionics.
However, not all of the 13.0 aircraft are equally capable in these matches.
For example, the Su-33 has access to a much stronger weapon loadout, a better radar, and is overall a more capable platform than the MiG-29 (9-13). Meanwhile, the MiG-29 (9-13) only carries two R-27ER/ET missiles and four R-73s, while also having a less reliable radar that can struggle to maintain track.
Simply lowering aircraft like the MiG-29 (9-13) to 12.3 or 12.0 wouldn’t really solve the problem either, because they would then fight aircraft such as older F-4 Phantoms or the Su-17M4, creating another balance issue in the opposite direction.
Instead, I believe the long-term solution is to expand the BR range and introduce another rank for aviation.
This would allow earlier fourth-generation fighters, such as the MiG-29 (9-13), Su-27, Su-33, F-15A, F-16A, F/A-18A, and similar aircraft that primarily rely on Fox-1 missiles, to fight each other more consistently.
More modern aircraft equipped with advanced Fox-3 missiles, superior radars, and newer avionics could then occupy higher BRs without compressing everything into the current matchmaking range.
This wouldn’t just improve balance for a few aircraft—it would create fairer matchmaking across top-tier aviation as a whole and give Gaijin more room to introduce future aircraft without making BR compression even worse.
I believe expanding the BR system is a healthier long-term solution than continuing to adjust individual aircraft while the overall compression issue remains.
Thank you for taking community feedback into consideration, and I hope this idea can be considered for future Battle Rating updates.
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We need decompression like two updates ago
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The veak has 40mm guns, the pgz88 has 37mm… How is that worse? Also you really think that armor has any impact when it comes to these vehicles?
Yeah, I think we’ve needed a major BR decompression ever since the Su-30SM2 was added with its AESA radar and other modern capabilities.
I just hope some of the community managers or developers see this and at least consider addressing the issue. I think it would make top-tier air battles much healthier in the long run.
PESA, not AESA
but they’re functionally identical anyways lol
They will see it
They will ignore it
That’s how it is unfortunately
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Vehicle: Object 279
Gamemode: Ground Arcade
BR Change: 9.0 —> 9.7
Reason: It is too good to be 9.0. It has a 3.86 KD according to Statshark in Arcade mode.
Vehicle: F-104s.ASA
Change: Air rb 11.7>11.3 OR stick at 11.7 and be given 9ms
Reason: I am in this thing getting 90% uptiers facing mig 29s, f16s AND F-14s with no rwr (An rwr that doesnt tell you direction or missile warning isnt an rwr at this br) is futile. Either give it 9ms which the ASA got irl or move it down to 11.3 where it belongs.
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Muzzle velocity, penetration, fire rate. pgz88 is significantly better in every regard.
Armor helps a lot, it is significantly easier to overpressure with a near miss or strafe the VEAK than it is the pgz88
The z10 easily outmatches the z19, it makes no sense for it to be at the same br since i have no idea who would pick the z19 over the z10
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F-104 RWR: “Hey, something might be pinging you”
Player: “Can you tell me what it is?”
F-104 RWR: “Nuh-uh”
Player: “Can you at least tell me the direction?”
F-104 RWR: “No. Fuck you”
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This one has always annoyed me. Ammo, fine. Gaijin have said numerous times that ammo is a balancing factor for them. But they strive to have accurate models. If they want a version without it, when you have the modification turned off then just don’t show the mounting brackets and launchers.
Vehicle: F-104s
Change: Air rb 11.3>11.0
Reason: It is an f4j equivalent with a worse fm but more speed, this shouldn’t be seeing aim 7fs every game. Its base bombing ability is the only reason it is this high and even then mig 23s get to the bases before you every time anyway. If the mig 23m can be 11.0 while being better in every way but flare count then so can this.
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Hey, guess what they put in it tho… a fucking laser warning receiver. Thanks italy, i really needed to know when someones pointing a laser pointer at me.
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Another thing to add, can we give the f104s super sonic spawns? I dont think this thing has anything to worry about when it comes to over speeding…
95mm of pen vs 86mm of pen, how does the pgz have better pen lmao. I have no idea where you got the velocity from since it doesnt say anywhere how much velocity each round has. The fire rate difference isnt even that big. The only reason that makes sense is that its got better survivability, since the zsu-37-2 is also staying at 7.7, but increasing a vehicles br just because it has better survivability against strafes is just weird to me
WDYM? Those APHE versions of M61 were one of our historical ammunition.
And there were tons of suggestions held from British players to make it real.
Maybe, but well, if those are overperpoming rn, and according to well-known Brit-hatred over War Thunder, I reckon this could be consequences which we can handle.
Higher WR than before? Then BR increase.
Unless Gaijin fix APHE’s damage model to a realistic one, it is our right to get our own M61 APCBC-HE while others were using those already.
I really cannot understand why let Gaijin take the buff back to their shelves when we just earned it after long fights.
Because of nothing but to keep your self-ego alive.
Of course we can fight and win without APHE, but when having APHE is also historical, I see no reason that we should kick it back.
Historically, we both know that was the reason why we decided to focus more on solid shots.
But, in War Thunder which soviet APHE doesn’t explode immaturely, having APHE is lot better than using solid shots.
Especially when both M61 APCBC/-HE share almost all aspects.
only thing we need to do for Churchill VII is:
- Add a feature to demount the fuel trailer of Crocs
- When you unlock M61 Shot, give the ability to use both solid shots and APHE.
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Vehicle: M-51
Gamemode: Ground Arcade
BR Change: 6.3 —> 5.3
Reason: The gun sucks. Actually, the gun is the worst thing about the tank, besides its terrible mobility and armor. The high penetration is just overkill and not even necessary, it would be a better tank with APHE.
Not to mention the HEAT makes it unable to fight on forest/grass.
Edit: The tank is actually OK if you are fighting vitality stats 0 enemy tank crews, otherwise the spalling doesn’t do much.